[Dclug] Where is the free software dividend?
amorey at aol.com
Sat Dec 2 12:32:00 EST 2006
Ubuntu gets better and better with every release? It will take years at its
current snails pace to reach the capabilities of Vista.
I can give a first count experience of Vista, as I've been using the full
production release for about two weeks now. Not only is it fun to use
Windows again, the OS is faster and has some interesting new features. One
called ReadyBoost, formats a thumbdrive or flashreader to augment virtual
memory (or something like that) to make the system faster - finally
something to do with those 5 in 1 flash drives that all new machines get
now. Other cool features include a built in DVR with media center (not to
mention Xbox integration if you're into that sort of thing), Virtual Machine
environment, and tablet PC features built-in - no more XP tablet edition.
Vista looks great, not something you can say about any linux desktop I've
seens except for maybe Novell - and has very strong features to make it
adoptable for corporations - much improved laptop support (I don't know how
but it resumes from hibernation is seconds), massive improvements to GPO
(it's a service now, instead of being thrown into winlogon), offline file
sync, and new scripting language called powershell for remote admin, app
troubleshooting with a resource monitor addition to task manager and the
biggest one in my opinion is the ability to finally roll out workstations
and not rely on all users to be local admins to install apps and use their
machines, that security model didn't scale in the Internet world and I'm
glad to see it gone. You can debate whether Linux does or will eventually
do these things, but the reality is, there are productivity and technology
improvements of Windows that slay linux, mostly in the presentation aspects,
that hinder linux desktop adoption.
Linux was getting close to XP is terms of features and support, personally
I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu, but think Freespire will become a dominant
player, as unlike Ubuntu it has a strong commercial backing in Linspire to
keep it fresh - and their core business model is to make it user-friendly,
and of course to make it look good (personally I think the fonts available
for Ubuntu for example, to surf the web, are kind of sad). Btw -
Linspire.com has links to Best Buy, Walmart, Fry and others who offer linux
machines on the web - with Linspire of course.
Vista won't be the downfall of MS, I agree there won't be a huge market for
the $200-$400 boxes sold at Compusa and others, but the oem market will
continue to give MS $50 for every PC shipped for now until we're all old men
and women - that's a lot of money. Remember too, the MS gets %35 of its
revenue from office, which also has a new release and will keep that
monopoly alive and well for a long time too. If anyone is in the market for
a new machine, only buy one that is giving free Vista upgrades, most company
will give coupons right now, to redeem for Vista upgrades when it becomes
available to non-businesses in late February.
What's the rant on the linux laptops being expensive, Linux will run on any
cheap laptop, the wireless nic probably won't, and you'll likely need
non-open source drivers to get _speedy_ video, but it will run. The reality
is for a gaming machine, you've need 1GB ram and 128-256MB video card for
some time, this is what is also required for Vista and I think Osx too - the
fact that linux doesn't really _need_ that only goes to my point that Linux
is presentation rich, which is the natural evolution for desktop Oss as
hardware continue to get faster and cheaper - in five years, the standard
$800 desktop might be a quad processor, 512MB video with 4GB ram, hybrid
flash/disk drives - why would you run linux on a box like that instead of
From: dclug-bounces at calypso.tux.org [mailto:dclug-bounces at calypso.tux.org]
On Behalf Of Arun Mallikarjunan
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:26 AM
To: Dclug at calypso.tux.org
Subject: Re: [Dclug] Where is the free software dividend?
Another thing one has to be careful when introducing people to Linux that
you have to win their confidence. They have to get it in their minds that
Linux is not hard and is as easy if not easier and better than windows. Also
we have to give them instructions on where and how to find help if needed.
Once they start using it and dont see any problems they pretty much grow
accustomed to it.
And about the Linux laptops being so expensive, pretty much whats been said
already. They dont have the advantage of a big market and their cost of
support is more. And yeah the competition (namely microsoft) does go into
deals with vendors to monopolize.
I believe that Vista is going to bring the downfall of Microsoft. It cost
too much, requires expensive hardware, they are fighting piracy(which is
good for Linux), and most of all, the cost-benefit ratio is not that high.
Whereas at the same time, Ubuntu's getting better and better by the release.
On 11/30/06, Michael Stone <mstone at mathom.us> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 09:44:12AM -0500, Vanderhoof, Tzadik wrote:
>Isn't this a major problem for the cause of Open Source operating
>systems? Is there any solution?
An antitrust action that limits the monopolist's ability to exclude
competitive choice on software shipped with systems. For certain models
from certain vendors you can choose your OS, in which case there's an
(expensive) MS option as well as an (expensive) RHEL options as well as
(possibly) a much less expensive "no OS" option. For other models,
especially (high volume/cheap) consumer systems, the vendor gets much
better pricing from the monopoly if their systems are "designed for"
(and only available with) the monopoly OS.
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