[Novalug] OT: Broken phone line ?
greg at pryzby.org
Thu Jan 11 22:44:13 EST 2007
Pretty sure it is xma here ;)
Yea on the 12 hours, but what the heck.
I might swap the wires for giggles.
Right now there are 2 pair connected at every jack into that one jack
fwiw. When I wired in the past, I just hooked the two I needed ;)
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:40:21PM -0500, Ken Kauffman wrote:
> Assuming you are using 4 strand original wiring (quad wire or POTS
> wire), then "christmas" is your main line unless the Verizon phone
> weenies hooked it up wrong at the NID. What do I mean by "christmas"?
> RED AND GREEN. :) Black and Yellow "bumblebee" is use for the second
> line. What you COULD do is change the NID to black and yellow and the
> wall jack, swap the lines. That way, if there is some weird issue with
> your red/green wiring only, you might be able to get a temporary fix.
> Most housing wiring today is dong using CAT5 line.
> [original 4 strand color = primary color/stripe color]
> green = white/blue
> red = blue/white
> black = white/orange
> yellow = orange/white
> You don't really need to do that whole 12 hours thing by the way.
> That's the telco's way of saying "unplug all your crap while we figure
> out our problem. By the time 12 hours has elapsed, we'll have fixed
> it." <grin>
> gregory pryzby wrote:
> > First, thanks
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:05:30PM -0500, Ken Kauffman wrote:
> >> I'm a bit of a phone weenie... sigh....
> >> - your standard line only runs on two wires (you probably knew that)
> >> - only a short or a device opening the connection can cause it to be busy
> >> With #2, the problem can exist anywhere, not just at a common wiring
> >> point (i.e. NID). That doesn't rule out the NID wiring.
> >> (for the purpose of this, 'pins' will refer to the internal connectors
> >> of the jack)
> >> - I wouldn't have your wife unplugging/plugging the fax/phone in to get
> >> work done. I would set up the fax machine to be manual answer only and
> >> run it in a loop like they are typically designed.
> >> wall <-> fax <-> phone
> > We just redid a room and moved the fax. We were in the process of
> > deciding where it shoudl go and there was a fax we had to send. One in
> > the last year. 1 a year is alot for us. But understood and being
> > rectified (my fault really)
> >> - check the pins *inside that particular jack* to see if they were
> >> somehow bent together (causing a short). Perhaps jack too many jack
> >> exchanges bent something in there.
> > Since the jacks are original, I will replace them ALL tomorrow. Just
> > because.
> >> - remove the 2 wall jacks completely (its only 8 connections from your
> >> description). Now test just the wires for current. This eliminates the
> >> jacks themselves as an issue.
> > See above.
> > What is the best way to test for current? Tongue ? :) Seriously. What
> > device and each pair? Pretend I am an idiot, because I am when it
> > comes to this stuff.
> >> - remove any extra devices plugged into that primary line
> > Done and I won't test for 12 hours.
> >> - if you've had children around the house, check ALL the jacks for
> >> assorted crap jammed in them OR bent pins inside them from jamming
> >> assorted crap in them.
> > asked the kids about that. but am going to replace.
> >> - check the connections at the NID. If it's old original wiring you
> >> might just re-strip and connect for good measure.
> > in the daylight, thanks for that idea.
> >> - if you have a computer modem plugged into ANY of those outlets, make
> >> sure it's not dialing out or holding the connection open. I got a
> >> windows trojan once (long time ago) that was dialing a 900 number and
> >> holding the connection open. Fortunately, I was at the machine when it
> >> actually happened and was able to dispute the charges. Otherwise, that
> >> call on my phone bill would have been a big mystery.
> > Nope. 1 caller id box to a old hardwire slimline. 1 wireless phone.
> > that is all we have.
> >> There is a possibility that a rodent found shelter during the cold
> >> months and chewed through a wire causing a short as well. Those are no
> >> fun to track down.
> > That is what I am most afraid of.
> > Off to google a new solution (some sort of wire-free solution?)
> >> Good luck.
> > I will need it :(
greg pryzby greg at pryzby dot org
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