[Novalug] Very OT - Water Softener Question

[DonJr]

I'm sending this copy to the list since I already looked up the
information for the reply and I hope that some one will find it useful.

Plus I wanted to point out that because of your improperly written SMTP
filter I will be receiving for the NEXT WEEK are so:
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On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 20:52 -0400, Clif Flynt wrote:
> Hi,
>   My apology for a very off-topic post.  But this is a list
> where I suspect I'll find someone that knows something new
> and generally techie.

I'm no expert on the subject by a long shot,
 but I was a Master Plumber in a former life.

>   I'm looking at a new water treatment system for my house, and there
> seems to be a new kid on the block.
> 
>   Pelican, Natursoft and FilterSorb seem to be the buzzwords for
> this technology.

Those are all "Water Filter USA" buzzwords (and/or copywrited terms)
www.waterfilter-usa.com

Google for: water softener CaC03
for other useful information on the subject

>   So far as I can gather from the blurbs and propaganda sheets, the
> idea is that the "filter media" provides active sites for CaC03 to
> crystalize, taking it out of solution.  At intervals, the 1 nm
> particles of CaC03 break off the media and flow through pipes, filters,
> et al and eventually exit the system via your sewage/septic system.

Well that depends on what you mean by what your saying.
See
<http://water.environmental-expert.com/resultEachArticle.aspx?cid=2748&codi=22443&idproducttype=6&level=0>
The section on "HARDNESS IN WATER" for complete details

But the following two quotes more properly explain what the Salesman is
saying:

|  When calcium and magnesium salts are present as sulfate (SO4-), 
|  chloride (Cl-) or nitrate (N03-), the hardness is called
| non-carbonate. Non-carbonate hardness will not precipitate by simply
| heating and thus is sometimes called permanent hardness. Both
| temporary and permanent hardness can exist together in a water supply.

And
| Total hardness is the sum of calcium and magnesium. A typical water
| analysis will show calcium, magnesium, and total hardness in
| milligrams per liter (mg/l) or grains per US gallon (gpg). When the
| term hardness is used, the value is always expressed in terms of
| calcium carbonate equivalence (as CaC03). Most water analysis will
| report calcium and magnesium individually in mg/l as the elements. In
| addition they will report either total hardness in grains per gallon
| expressed as a calcium carbonate equivalent or as Total Hardness which
| is a total sum of hardness in mg/l as CaCO3. To convert Total Hardness
| to grains per gallon simply divide by 17.1 .


>   I assume that eventually these things dissolve and flow back
> into the water system, but the claim is that they stay particulate
> "forever".  If that's true for the length of time water sits in a
> water heater, I'll say it's close enough to forever.

If you are talking about that "White Scale" that they always show in the
pictures of it built up in pipes and water heaters, once it gets
deposited it's there for the duration, nothing other then possible
rooting it out with an auger will remove it from a drinking system..


>   Has anyone tried one of these things?  Did it work?  Any gotchas?
>   
>   Please reply directly to me, rather than the list, since this is 
> so far off-topic.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Clif

Don't let them discharge the brine into a septic (or sewer for that
matter) it will KILL the bacteria that makes the septic-tank work.

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