[Novalug] [CALUG] My EeePC 1000 Review
larkoc at iges.org
Wed Aug 13 10:24:36 EDT 2008
David A.Cafaro wrote:
Thank you for your review David. I am considering one of these units
myself. Thank you to Rajiv for the comments/discussion.
On the security issue/question, I am not familiar with Xandros but I
had thought that David implied a shell prompt/terminal window available
on the EeePC 1000 (I would never have a box, including Windows, without
one). If there is a shell prompt wouldn't it be possible to just
secure the box by turning off the services via a utility such as
chkconfig (RH type) or just removing the entry from /etc/rc.d/rcX.d
(choose appropriate path for RH, Deb, SuSE variants)?
> Hi Rajiv,
> Thank you for your comments, I'll address them inline below:
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Rajiv Gunja wrote:
>> I applaud you for sharing your experience with EEEPC with us, but I
>> have to say couple of things that are wrong with your outlook:
>> 1. EEEPC is not a desktop/laptop replacement, it is for a traveler
>> who wants to browse the internet, download some pictures from the
>> camera and may be use skype or IM to talk. That is the reason why it
>> has such a slow CPU.
> Actually, I don't think it has a slow CPU, not sure where I gave that
> impression. I was very impressed with it and think it's more than
> enough to handle the kind of tasks I expect my use to require. As
> mentioned, it's a big upgrade from my older sub-notebook's Efficeon
>> 2. Replacing Xandros (built for this hardware) by Full/modified
>> Fedora or Ubuntu is an overkill on the hardware and a bad choice.
>> Why in the world would you kill a small hardware with such a bloated
>> software? Its like trying to fit an elephant into a car.
> Actually I've heard very good things about both Fedora and Ubuntu on
> EeePC. The software is only bloated if you choose to leave it as a
> default install. For my needs it will most likely better suit me, and
> I have no doubts this hardware will have no issue handling it.
>> I have used the EEEPC 701 for a few days, but had to give it up as
>> it did not serve my purpose. But it serves the purpose of a
>> computing platform when traveling and it should stop at that (not
>> meant for day to day computing).
> I would like to point out that the 701 and the 1000 are very different
> machines. I did not get a 701 as I knew it would never meet my
> needs. I waited for the much faster cpu, larger ram, storage and
> screen of the 1000. The 1000 is a netbook on the verge of a sub-
> notebook (if not already there). Compared to my old Sharp MM20, it's
> a screamer, and will be the perfect companion on the road when away
> from my workstations or my full notebook (Macbook Pro).
>> If you know your security, then you should know that by turning off
>> Samba, Print sharing, NFS, you would have in effect turned off the
>> so called bad services, which is what a Firewall does.
> Yes, and I mentioned that shutting down those processes as well as the
> host.deny/allow files as ways to contain the issue. But in the
> context of the EeePC and it's standard OS, I have found no way to
> disable these services via the GUI tools and yet they are on by default.
> Also, a nit-picky point on my part, a firewall doesn't turn off a
> service it just restricts access to a service as you see fit, it also
> covers changes that may occur without your knowledge (service being re-
> enabled). ;-)
>> So it is not really a question of Firewall not being there or
>> services being turned on, but the question of what distribution
>> "you" like, so your whole point about changing the OS. If you ask
>> me, once you install the default Fedora or Ubuntu, you will see lot
>> more services than the 4 you have mentioned running and you will
>> have to turn then off on those distributions too.
> Yes, that's exactly what I plan on doing, plus a firewall for those
> services I may want running, but restricted in some manner.
>> Trying to extract / compare EEEPC with a normal desktop / laptop is
>> not doing the product justice. Its like expecting Elevator qualities
>> from a Ski lift.
> And that wasn't the purpose of the review. I'm looking at is solely
> as a netbook possibly a sub-notebook given the hardware specs.
>> My intention was not to attack your comments but over the years I
>> have read so many reviews on different distributions where the
>> reviewer has some notions in mind and wants something out of a
>> product which it is not meant for and it just annoys me to no end.
> No problem, and no offense taken. I do think you missed the theme
> and my points though, you may have been a little to quick to assume I
> was comparing it to something else. The review was based on what the
> EeePC is supposed to be (a Netbook) and what it provides to the user.
> In solely this light it performs wonderfully, is very well spec'd and
> the software is very functional. I thought it was a very nice setup,
> and I wrote as much.
> But, given what this netbook is designed to be (a portable travel
> companion for quick net access in coffee shops and other wireless
> zones, etc..) it has some very worrying security issues. Since it's
> likely to connect to "hostile" networks (you SHOULD consider an open
> coffee shop network hostile), it should NOT have default services
> running and lack a firewall. It should also provide a user some way
> to disable those services through it's interface. This problem is
> more an issue given that some software updates seem to be broken, and
> they haven't addressed it yet after several weeks.
> I would love to keep the default Xandros install as it's extremely
> functional, but the security issues are just to big an issue for me.
> So I will take my chance and run an alternative distro. It will be
> more work, but in the end It will suit my needs better. And yes, I'll
> be writing up a how-to once I do, and a review of how well it does or
> doesn't work, but that will stress that it's not the way it was
> originally designed to work.
>> Rajiv G Gunja
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