[Ma-linux] Re: [Novalug] Need assistance: My boss lost all email

[Kevin Dwyer]

The article detailed the Whitehouse's attempt to replace Lotus Notes with an
Exchange based Rube Goldberg system of archiving mail which (depending on
one's level of cynicism) prima facie doesn't sound malicious, just
monumentally stupid.  I can totally believe that they thought their system
was sound.  Dumb system architecture can be found everywhere.

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Anthony Soucek <monkeywrenchit at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The issue isn't about software, it's about the destroying evidence.
> the Predator program now has us all as on a list to be detained
> indefinately without charges as enemy combatants
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:11 AM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
> <JECottrell3 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I tend to restrain my opinions when it comes to Bush.
> >
> > But Sendmail.com runs the Whitehouse mail. You'd think they would have
> > provided this solution before.
> >
> > JIM
> >
> > Kevin Dwyer wrote:
> >>
> >> Can never be sure, but I think my tangential, sarcastic dig at the Bush
> >> system admins went right by you.  Or maybe this went by me.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:15 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
> >> <JECottrell3 at comcast.net <mailto:JECottrell3 at comcast.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>    Wrong. It should be trivially easy to make the Mail Delivery Agent
> >>    append the message to two mailboxes and to squirrel the clone
> >>    mailboxes away every night.
> >>
> >>    JIM
> >>
> >>    Kevin Dwyer wrote:
> >>
> >>        As we learned on arstechnica[1], the only sensible way to
> >>        implement anti-retention of e-mail is to use Exchange (and a
> >>        convoluted, manual scheme of "archives").
> >>
> >>        [1]
> http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/bush-lost-e-mails.ars
> >>
> >>        On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:17 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
> >>        <JECottrell3 at comcast.net <mailto:JECottrell3 at comcast.net>
> >>        <mailto:JECottrell3 at comcast.net
> >>        <mailto:JECottrell3 at comcast.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>           What Forensic Guys? What Open Source Tools?
> >>
> >>           Outlook? You should have been using Firefox/Thunderbird to
> >>        browse
> >>           and read your email.
> >>
> >>           You seem to be looking for a Technical Solution to a
> Procedural
> >>           Problem. Magic Won't Save You.
> >>
> >>           And when is "33-05-08"?
> >>
> >>           [1] No Backups???
> >>           [2] This is a Linux group
> >>           [3] There are ways to look for deleted files, but files
> >>        which are
> >>           rewritten generally don't get their intermediate states saved.
> >>
> >>           JIM
> >>
> >>           Jay Hart wrote:
> >>
> >>               My boss was having problems with his laptop (which I
> >>        think is
> >>               running XP). so
> >>               they decided to redo his profile.  And, I guess didn't
> >>        catch
> >>               all the outlook
> >>               pst files. So, any email dated prior to 33-5-08 is gone.
> >>
> >>               What I need is one of you forensic guys to come over
> >>        and run
> >>               an open source
> >>               tool and see if you can find any of his email files
> >>        that might
> >>               still be
> >>               floating around.
> >>
> >>               See, you didn't think I was going to mention something
> >>               relevent to this list
> >>               on this thread, did ya???
> >>
> >>               Jay Hart
> >>
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> >>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>        No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>        Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database:
> >>        269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1431 -
> >> Release Date: 5/13/2008 7:55 PM
> >>
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> Anthony Soucek
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