[Novalug] HR vs Engineers (was security, beltways, IQ and more)

[James Ewing Cottrell 3rd]

Clif Flynt wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:13:12PM -0400, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd wrote:
>> ...
>> But Ultimately, what is just Downright Hypocracy, is the fact that Some 
>> Companies are Afraid to Clear people "because they might leave", and yet 
>> are Perfectly Willing to "accept the people other companies have cleared".
>> ...
> 
>   Expecting commitment from folks who jump companies is like expecting
> commitment from companies that try to lure folks into jumping from
> other companies.

frequency wasn't specified. and there are legitimate reasons for 
changing jobs.

and once again, job hopping all evens out. got every person you lose, 
you gain another.

motion between companies does not change the average number of people 
who you must clear. you need to expect to clear all your people unless 
the demand for clearances decreases.

>   I don't see clearances as being any different from knowing yum vs
> apt-get, or SuSE vs Mandrake vs BSD vs Solaris, or
> Tcl/Perl/C#/whatever.

big difference. you can learn on your own, but only a company can get 
you cleared.

>   These are criteria that HR depts that don't understand what the
> company is doing can use to try and separate wheat from chaff. 

and you didn't address any of my arguments. knowledge is an open ended 
system, clearances are a closed one.

jim