[Novalug] [Ma-linux] FIOS available: should I?

Sun Jul 25 22:26:37 EDT 2010

Are you saying that the WAN port on the Verizon router is an uplink? I.e. I could attach my DD-WRT (or whatever) router to the wan port and gain internet connectivity?

I was under the impression that the WAN port on mine wasn't used at all since the internet comes down over the COAX only. I assume that the WAN is for some other config where VZ brings an ethernet connection.

--- On Sun, 7/25/10, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd <JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET> wrote:

From: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd <JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET>
Subject: Re: [Novalug] [Ma-linux]  FIOS available: should I?
To: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevin at pheared.net>
Cc: novalug at calypso.tux.org, ma-linux at calypso.tux.org, "Joseph Brinkley" <brinkley.joseph at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 4:19 PM

Options? You have none. You have End User Class Service, not Business
Class. No Servers For You!

What kind of Special Connections did you want?

But seriously, if you put their router behind yours, there is no way
they will attempt to fix anything. Nor would I.

If you think of their box simply as a Cable Modem, you will be much
happier. The wire out of your WAN Port on your internal router is where
"The Internet" starts. All their stuff is a Black Box. Whatever your
router tells you about traffic out the WAN Port, that is what their box
is doing. And when you are testing, I presume you are only using one
internal host at a time.

JIM

On 7/25/2010 10:25 AM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:

  We're all talking on a Linux User Group mailing list, so it seems a
safe bet that many of the users here are interested in more advanced
options.  The Verizon supplied router offers only a few.

You want to be able to look at logs because you want to know why the
little blinky LED light is blinking like crazy and your connection is
being slow.  Or because you're trying to setup a special connection
with somewhere else on the Internet and it's Not Working.  Easier to
know whether it's your equipment's fault if you can tcpdump.

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
<JECottrell3 at comcast.net> wrote:

    Firewalls? Your own router is probably doing NAT anyway, so no connections
can be made unless you open them or provide explicit forwarding rules. A
router should not be doing DNS. It's not hard to set up your own caching
server. Or run dnsmasq with Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as forwarders.

Why would I want to look at logs?!? Are you a router geek? Besides, their
packet counts should be identical to the ones in your own router since there
is no place else to go.

Still, it's disconcerting that their routers aren't better. Maybe you can
get the equipment they use for Business Internet but just pay for the home
service?!?

JIM

On 7/24/2010 2:02 PM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:

One good reason to supply your own equipment is that theirs (Verizon's
router) is junk.  Get over about 40-50 connections and the thing will
start to freeze up.

Another is so that you can have fine grained control over your
connection.  The Actiontec router can do simple firewalling, but
that's it.  You can't even really log the traffic that's flowing
through it - you're stuck with packet counts and rough bandwidth
figures.  It reminds me of the old school Ciscos.

-kpd

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:22 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
<JECottrell3 at comcast.net> wrote:

What is the motivation. There is the concept of the Demarc(ation Point).
Everything on My Side belongs to Me and Everything on Their Side belongs to
Them. So why not put your router behind theirs?

I live in MD too, so I have Comcast, and they call their new "cable modem"
box an EMTA, which does Internet, Phone, and TV.

The EMTA connects to my internal Linksys Wireless Router via an Ethernet
cable.

The only reason I'd want their box in front of mine is if the EMTA did port
filtering there, but I doubt that is the case.

JIM

On 7/22/2010 8:40 AM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Joseph Brinkley
<brinkley.joseph at gmail.com> wrote:

My issue with FiOS is the proprietary hardware. I want to use my Expensive
Cisco Router i put DD-WRT on :)

It can be done; I've seen the complicated version in person.  If you
don't need cable, it's pretty simple to replace the VZ router.  If you
do need cable, there is a complicated setup that still keeps the VZ
router alive for the cable boxes but puts your router in control of
the traffic.

-kpd
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