[Novalug] [Ma-linux] FIOS available: should I?
James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET
Mon Jul 26 12:39:31 EDT 2010
On 7/25/2010 10:26 PM, Brander Snaxe wrote:
>
> Are you saying that the WAN port on the Verizon router is an uplink?
> I.e. I could attach my DD-WRT (or whatever) router to the wan port and
> gain internet connectivity?
>
Dunno. What other ports does it have?
What I am saying that the WAN port on your DD-WRT router is the uplink
to the Internet, and you shouldn't care about whatever the other end of
that cable plugs into. Here is what I have from Comcast:
A coax cable comes into my house. A special splitter sends part of that
signal to the TV via coax. The other coax screws into what they call an
EMTA and I call a Cable Modem. The EMTA has a phone jack, which powers
the VOIP. It also has an Ethernet Port, which I plug to the WAN Port of
my Linksys Router.
I don't care what is on the other side of that Ethernet cable, and
neither should you. There is a reset button on the EMTA, and other than
pushing that or turning the power off and on, I have no control of it.
And I don't want any either.
On one side of the wire, everything is mine. On the other, everything is
theirs. What could be simpler?
JIM
>
>
>
> I was under the impression that the WAN port on mine wasn't used at
> all since the internet comes down over the COAX only. I assume that
> the WAN is for some other config where VZ brings an ethernet connection.
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 7/25/10, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
> /<JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd <JECottrell3 at Comcast.NET>
> Subject: Re: [Novalug] [Ma-linux] FIOS available: should I?
> To: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevin at pheared.net>
> Cc: novalug at calypso.tux.org, ma-linux at calypso.tux.org, "Joseph
> Brinkley" <brinkley.joseph at gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 4:19 PM
>
> Options? You have none. You have End User Class Service, not
> Business Class. No Servers For You!
>
> What kind of Special Connections did you want?
>
> But seriously, if you put their router behind yours, there is no
> way they will attempt to fix anything. Nor would I.
>
> If you think of their box simply as a Cable Modem, you will be
> much happier. The wire out of your WAN Port on your internal
> router is where "The Internet" starts. All their stuff is a Black
> Box. Whatever your router tells you about traffic out the WAN
> Port, that is what their box is doing. And when you are testing, I
> presume you are only using one internal host at a time.
>
> JIM
>
> On 7/25/2010 10:25 AM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>> We're all talking on a Linux User Group mailing list, so it seems a
>> safe bet that many of the users here are interested in more advanced
>> options. The Verizon supplied router offers only a few.
>>
>> You want to be able to look at logs because you want to know why the
>> little blinky LED light is blinking like crazy and your connection is
>> being slow. Or because you're trying to setup a special connection
>> with somewhere else on the Internet and it's Not Working. Easier to
>> know whether it's your equipment's fault if you can tcpdump.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
>> <JECottrell3 at comcast.net> </mc/compose?to=JECottrell3 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Firewalls? Your own router is probably doing NAT anyway, so no connections
>>> can be made unless you open them or provide explicit forwarding rules. A
>>> router should not be doing DNS. It's not hard to set up your own caching
>>> server. Or run dnsmasq with Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as forwarders.
>>>
>>> Why would I want to look at logs?!? Are you a router geek? Besides, their
>>> packet counts should be identical to the ones in your own router since there
>>> is no place else to go.
>>>
>>> Still, it's disconcerting that their routers aren't better. Maybe you can
>>> get the equipment they use for Business Internet but just pay for the home
>>> service?!?
>>>
>>> JIM
>>>
>>> On 7/24/2010 2:02 PM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>>>
>>> One good reason to supply your own equipment is that theirs (Verizon's
>>> router) is junk. Get over about 40-50 connections and the thing will
>>> start to freeze up.
>>>
>>> Another is so that you can have fine grained control over your
>>> connection. The Actiontec router can do simple firewalling, but
>>> that's it. You can't even really log the traffic that's flowing
>>> through it - you're stuck with packet counts and rough bandwidth
>>> figures. It reminds me of the old school Ciscos.
>>>
>>> -kpd
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:22 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
>>> <JECottrell3 at comcast.net> </mc/compose?to=JECottrell3 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the motivation. There is the concept of the Demarc(ation Point).
>>> Everything on My Side belongs to Me and Everything on Their Side belongs to
>>> Them. So why not put your router behind theirs?
>>>
>>> I live in MD too, so I have Comcast, and they call their new "cable modem"
>>> box an EMTA, which does Internet, Phone, and TV.
>>>
>>> The EMTA connects to my internal Linksys Wireless Router via an Ethernet
>>> cable.
>>>
>>> The only reason I'd want their box in front of mine is if the EMTA did port
>>> filtering there, but I doubt that is the case.
>>>
>>> JIM
>>>
>>> On 7/22/2010 8:40 AM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Joseph Brinkley
>>> <brinkley.joseph at gmail.com> </mc/compose?to=brinkley.joseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> My issue with FiOS is the proprietary hardware. I want to use my Expensive
>>> Cisco Router i put DD-WRT on :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It can be done; I've seen the complicated version in person. If you
>>> don't need cable, it's pretty simple to replace the VZ router. If you
>>> do need cable, there is a complicated setup that still keeps the VZ
>>> router alive for the cable boxes but puts your router in control of
>>> the traffic.
>>>
>>> -kpd
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