CVS update by stephent xemacsweb/Lists ...
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xemacs-cvs at xemacs.org
Thu Oct 12 01:57:03 EDT 2006
User: stephent
Date: 06/10/12 07:57:03
Modified: xemacsweb/Lists ChangeLog index.content
Log:
Update list descriptions for post-gwyn-crash world.
Revision Changes Path
1.29 +5 -0 XEmacs/xemacsweb/Lists/ChangeLog
Index: ChangeLog
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+++ ChangeLog 2006/10/12 05:57:02 1.29
@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
+2006-10-12 Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen at xemacs.org>
+
+ * index.content: Update for post disk crash conditions, URLs, and
+ ML reorganization.
+
2005-10-07 Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen at xemacs.org>
* index.content: Update call for information on AOL attitude
1.29 +144 -102 XEmacs/xemacsweb/Lists/index.content
Index: index.content
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--- index.content 2005/10/07 14:12:12 1.28
+++ index.content 2006/10/12 05:57:02 1.29
@@ -45,18 +45,22 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
<p>
Currently, the typical workflow starts with a bug report from a
user or a developer, which should be directed to
- <a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a>. A complex bugfix or a new
- feature, which requires more than minimal changes to XEmacs to
- implement, will then be discussed on
- <a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a>. Any changes that
- arise from this discussion (or bugfixes arising directly from
- discussion on <a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a>) should then
- be submitted to <a href="#xemacs-patches">xemacs-patches</a>.
+ <a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a>.
+ <!--
+ A complex bugfix or a new feature, which requires more than
+ minimal changes to XEmacs to implement, will then be discussed on
+ <a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a>.
+ -->
+ Any changes that arise from this discussion (or bugfixes arising
+ directly from discussion on <a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a>)
+ should then be submitted to <a href="#xemacs-patches">xemacs-patches</a>.
Patches are vetted by the XEmacs Review Board. Review actions
such as approval and veto of patches will be directed to
- <a href="#xemacs-patches">xemacs-patches</a>. However, all other
- discussion of patches under review should be directed to
- <a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a>.
+ <a href="#xemacs-patches">xemacs-patches</a>.
+ <!-- THIS IS PROBABLY BOGUS, IT NEVER WORKED.
+ However, all other discussion of patches under review should be
+ directed to <a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a>.
+ -->
</p>
<p>
@@ -66,28 +70,53 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
for your post.
</p>
+ <p>
+ <strong>The list archive URLs below are temporary, and will change
+ back to "lists.xemacs.org" when we have worked out virtual hosting
+ and DNS issues.</strong> Also, although we have the mbox sources
+ on the <em>old</em> host, the HTML versions were lost in a disk
+ crash, and as of 2006-10-12 the archives contain only posts since
+ 2006-10-11. We plan to restore the archives in a week or so.
+ </p>
+
<ul>
<li><a href="#comp-emacs-xemacs">comp.emacs.xemacs</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-announce">xemacs-announce</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a></li>
- <li><a href="#xemacs-beta-ja">xemacs-beta-ja</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-buildreports">xemacs-buildreports</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-cvs">xemacs-cvs</a></li>
+ <li><a href="#xemacs-patches">xemacs-patches</a></li>
+ </ul>
+
+ <p>
+ The following lists are more or less obsolete, or unused, and have
+ been merged into xemacs-beta. The xemacs-users-LANG lists may be
+ revived if traffic or user requests warrant. Send requests, in
+ English, to <a href="mailto:stephen at xemacs.org">Stephen Turnbull</a>.
+ The xemacs-design list probably will be revived when traffic
+ warrants.
+ </p>
+
+ <ul>
+ <li><a href="#xemacs-beta-ja">xemacs-beta-ja</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-mule">xemacs-mule</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-news">xemacs-news</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-nt">xemacs-nt</a></li>
- <li><a href="#xemacs-patches">xemacs-patches</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-users-ja">xemacs-users-ja</a></li>
<li><a href="#xemacs-users-ru">xemacs-users-ru</a></li>
</ul>
<p>
An alternative to subscribing to any of the lists is to
- visit the <a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/">Archived
- XEmacs Mailing Lists</a>. These archives are updated daily,
- beginning at 01:22 EST (06:22 GMT). If you don't want to stay as
- far as a day behind, then just go ahead and subscribe.</p>
+ visit the
+ <!--
+ <a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/">Archived XEmacs Mailing Lists</a>
+ -->
+ <a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/">Archived XEmacs Mailing Lists</a>.
+ These archives are updated daily, beginning at 01:22 EST (06:22
+ GMT). If you don't want to stay as far as a day behind, then just
+ go ahead and subscribe.</p>
<p>
Some (or maybe all by the time you read this) of these lists are
@@ -106,8 +135,10 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
for XEmacs users to discuss problems and issues that arise
for them. It's not generally an appropriate place to ask
about apparent bugs (use
- <a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a>), or future plans
- (use <a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a>).
+ <a href="#xemacs-beta">xemacs-beta</a>).
+ <!--
+ or future plans (use <a href="#xemacs-design">xemacs-design</a>).
+ -->
</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
@@ -118,10 +149,12 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
<dt>Subscriptions:</dt>
<dd>No subscription necessary; just point your newsreader at
<a href="news:comp.emacs.xemacs">comp.emacs.xemacs</a>.</dd>
+ <!--
<dt>Mailing list bidirectional gateway:</dt>
<dd><a href="#xemacs-news">xemacs-news</a>. The gateway is
currently broken, so xemacs-news is a rather low-traffic
channel.</dd>
+ -->
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
@@ -135,11 +168,11 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-announce" name="xemacs-announce">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-announce/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-announce/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-announce/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-announce/</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-announce-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-announce-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-announce/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-announce/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-announce/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-announce/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
@@ -151,49 +184,43 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
queries, follow-ups, and discussions further determining their
nature and status. This is the primary channel for this kind
of discussion; related code changes will usually not be
- applied until they have been discussed here. When such
- discussions touch on significant changes to the code (in
- particular, structural changes), or on changes to API's or
- external functionality, they should be moved to
- <strong>xemacs-design</strong>. Requests and proposals for
- non-bug-related changes do not belong on
- <strong>xemacs-beta</strong>, and should be sent to
- <strong>xemacs-design</strong> instead.</p>
+ applied until they have been discussed here.
+ <!--
+ When such discussions touch on significant changes to the
+ code (in particular, structural changes), or on changes to
+ API's or external functionality, they should be moved to
+ <strong>xemacs-design</strong>. Requests and proposals for
+ non-bug-related changes do not belong on
+ <strong>xemacs-beta</strong>, and should be sent to
+ <strong>xemacs-design</strong> instead.
+ -->
+ </p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-beta" name="xemacs-beta">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-beta/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-beta/</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-beta-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-beta-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-beta/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-beta/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
- <p><strong>xemacs-beta-ja</strong> is an open list for bug
- reports and design discussion related to Mule features,
- including Japanese handling, in beta versions of XEmacs.
- Japanese is the preferred language of discussion. For most
- timely presentation to reviewers, please consider sending
- appropriate discussion to <strong>xemacs-mule</strong> or
- <strong>xemacs-design</strong> in English when convenient for
- the participants in discussion. When possible, bug reports
- not related to Mule (including Japanese) should be reported on
- <strong>xemacs-beta</strong> in English.</p>
+ <p><strong>xemacs-beta-ja</strong> is obsolete; it has been
+ merged into xemacs-beta. Posts in Japanese are welcome on
+ xemacs-beta, but you should consider that posts in English
+ will probably receive much more prompt and accurate
+ response. The old archives will remain available.</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-beta-ja" name="xemacs-beta-ja">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta-ja/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta-ja/</a></dd>
- <dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
- <dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-beta-ja-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-beta-ja-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
- <dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-beta-ja/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-beta-ja/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-beta-ja/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-beta-ja/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
@@ -202,18 +229,18 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
<p><strong>xemacs-buildreports</strong> is an open list for
submission of build-reports on beta versions of XEmacs. For
information on what the build-reports should contain, please
- see the `etc/BETA' file which is included in each beta
- distribution.</p>
+ see the "Beta" Info documentation node, or the man/beta.texi
+ file in the source of the beta series.</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-buildreports" name="xemacs-buildreports">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-buildreports/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-buildreports/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-buildreports/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-buildreports/</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-buildreports-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-buildreports-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-buildreports/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-buildreports/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-buildreports/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-buildreports/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
@@ -230,92 +257,100 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-cvs" name="xemacs-cvs">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-cvs/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-cvs/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-cvs/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-cvs/</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-cvs-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-cvs-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-cvs/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-cvs/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-cvs/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-cvs/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
- <p><strong>xemacs-design</strong> is an open list for
+ <p><strong>xemacs-design</strong>
+ has been merged into xemacs-beta for now. It will be
+ revived when traffic justifies.
+ <!--
+ is an open list for
discussing the design of XEmacs. This includes discussion
about planned and ongoing changes to functionality and API
changes and additions as well as requests for them. This is
the primary channel for this kind of discussion; related code
changes will usually not be applied until they have been
discussed here. This does not include bug reports, which go
- to <strong>xemacs-beta</strong>.</p>
+ to <strong>xemacs-beta</strong>.
+ -->
+ </p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-design" name="xemacs-design">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-design/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-design/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-design/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-design/</a></dd>
+ <!--
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-design-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-design-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-design/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-design/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-design/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-design/</a></dd>
+ -->
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
- <p><strong>xemacs-mule</strong> is an open mailing list for
- discussion of International extensions to XEmacs including
- Mule, XIM, I18n issues, etc, and is not confined to
- developmental issues. This list is not restricted to
- English, postings in all languages are welcome.</p>
+ <p><strong>xemacs-mule</strong> has been merged into
+ xemacs-beta, which is not restricted to
+ English, postings in all languages are welcome. Please
+ consider that posts in English will likely receive
+ much more prompt and accurate responses.</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-mule" name="xemacs-mule">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-mule/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-mule/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-mule/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-mule/</a></dd>
+ <!--
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-mule-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-mule-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-mule/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-mule/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-mule/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-mule/</a></dd>
+ -->
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
- <p><strong>xemacs-news</strong> is an open list for discussion
- and bug reporting for XEmacs. This mailing list is
- bi-directionally gatewayed with the USENET newsgroup
- comp.emacs.xemacs.</p>
+ <p><strong>xemacs-news</strong> has been merged into
+ xemacs-beta. If you are looking for user support, please
+ use the comp.emacs.xemacs newsgroup, which has convenient
+ web interfaces via Yahoo Groups and Google Groups.
+ </p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-news" name="xemacs-news">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs/</a></dd>
+ <!--
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-news-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-news-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-news/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-news/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-news/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-news/</a></dd>
+ -->
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
- <p><strong>xemacs-nt</strong> is a developers-only mailing
- list and is intended for people who wish to work actively on
- the porting of XEmacs to Microsoft Windows NT and Microsoft
- Windows '95.</p>
+ <p><strong>xemacs-nt</strong> has been merged into
+ xemacs-beta, as the Windows support is now a standard part
+ of XEmacs.</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
- <dt><a id="xemacs-nt" name="xemacs-nt">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-nt/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-nt/</a></dd>
- <dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
- <dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-winnt-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-winnt-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
- <dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-winnt/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-winnt/</a></dd>
+ <dt><a id="xemacs-nt" name="xemacs-nt">Legacy Archive</a>:</dt>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-nt/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-nt/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
@@ -326,61 +361,68 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
and its packages. Anyone may subscribe or submit to
xemacs-patches, but all submissions are reviewed by the list
moderator before they are distributed to the
- list. Discussion is not appropriate on xemacs-patches.</p>
+ list. Discussion of substantial changes to a patch is not
+ appropriate on xemacs-patches; please try to return such
+ threads to xemacs-beta.</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
<!-- one of (dd dt) -->
<dt><a id="xemacs-patches" name="xemacs-patches">Archive</a>:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-patches/">http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-patches/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-patches/">http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/xemacs-patches/</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe by E-mail:</dt>
<dd><a href="mailto:xemacs-patches-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...">mailto:xemacs-patches-request at xemacs.org?body=subscribe address=...</a></dd>
<dt>Subscribe or change subscription by HTTP:</dt>
- <dd><a href="http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-patches/">http://lists.xemacs.org/lists/listinfo/xemacs-patches/</a></dd>
+ <dd><a href="http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-patches/">http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-patches/</a></dd>
</dl>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
- <p><strong>xemacs-users-ja</strong> is an open list for
- discussion and bug reporting for XEmacs. Japanese is the
- preferred language of discussion. It is not gated to
- comp.emacs.xemacs or the <strong>xemacs</strong> list. For
- fastest response, bugs not specifically related to Japanese
- or Mule features should be reported on
- <strong>xemacs-beta</strong> (in English).</p>
+ <p><strong>xemacs-users-ja</strong> has been merged into
+ xemacs-beta. Japanese is welcome, but please consider that
+ posts in English are likely to receive much more timely and
+ accurate response. If Japanese-language traffic or user
+ demand justifies it, a separate Japanese-only user-oriented
+ list may be revived. Send comments or requests to <a
+ href="mailto:stephen at xemacs.org">Stephen Turnbull</a>
+ (Japanese is OK).</p>
</td>
<td rowspan="1" colspan="1">
<dl>
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- <dt><a id="xemacs-users-ja" name="xemacs-users-ja">Archive</a>:</dt>
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- fastest response, bugs not specifically related to Russian
- or Mule features should be reported on
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+ <p><strong>xemacs-users-ru</strong> has been merged into
+ xemacs-beta. Russian is welcome, but please consider that
+ posts in English are likely to receive much more timely and
+ accurate response. If Russian-language traffic or user
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@@ -448,7 +490,7 @@ john s jacobs anderson re-working old co
If your ISP is unwilling to provide resources to ensure that mail
you have requested is delivered to you, XEmacs volunteers are not
going to make up for that lack. <strong>Note:</strong> It is now
- over two years since the above was written; if AOL's service has
+ over three years since the above was written; if AOL's service has
improved, we'd like to know at <a
href="mailto:list-manager at xemacs.org">list-manager at xemacs.org</a>)</p>
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